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term='Christianity'/><category term='black males'/><category term='inequality'/><category term='social science'/><category term='Death'/><category term='middleeast'/><title type='text'>Comments on Bahá’í  Thought: The Problem With Political Religion</title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.bahaithought.com/feeds/1904529995950150887/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16607511/1904529995950150887/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.bahaithought.com/2007/03/problem-with-political-religion.html'/><author><name>Phillipe Copeland</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/18342490962831946701</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='31' src='http://wso.williams.edu/orgs/bahai/star2.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>4</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16607511.post-2536602137107566916</id><published>2007-03-11T00:13:00.000-03:00</published><updated>2007-03-11T00:13:00.000-03:00</updated><title type='text'>In review of the current situation of much of the ...</title><content type='html'>In review of the current situation of much of the religio-political world, we are all three in fair agreement. The danger comes from extrapolating a true review of the situation with some kind of eternal truth, and appealing to Constantine, a figure so removed from the actuality of the moment, if present in the pregnancy of the moment, seems to appeal to that eternal standard and thus take a situation here and now and magnify it beyond those confines.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A stronger position, more reliably dependent on eternal truths, is to investigate the parallels between Rome then and now. In that case West's analysis of modern day Christianity would equate to the religion of Rome - that demanded appearance and rituals of supporting the powers of the day and excused every abuse as long as it served the interests of those same powers of the day. Then to go beyond such concerns and note by example, that the religion of God is also present in the pattern and embark on the ride of the millennium ahead of us.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16607511/1904529995950150887/comments/default/2536602137107566916'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16607511/1904529995950150887/comments/default/2536602137107566916'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.bahaithought.com/2007/03/problem-with-political-religion.html?showComment=1173582780000#c2536602137107566916' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.bahaithought.com/2007/03/problem-with-political-religion.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16607511.post-1904529995950150887' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16607511/posts/default/1904529995950150887' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-315305319'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16607511.post-3022355838384094796</id><published>2007-03-10T16:33:00.000-03:00</published><updated>2007-03-10T16:33:00.000-03:00</updated><title type='text'>Thanks anonymous for your response. Let me clarify...</title><content type='html'>Thanks anonymous for your response. Let me clarify that I used the quote from West because it provoked some of my own thinking about political religion, not because I agreed with the substance of it. For example, I would not characterize America as an "empire" in the way that West does. In his book his point is not to engage in criticism of Constantine as a leader but to contrast what he considers to be "Constantinian-Christianity" and "prophetic-Christianity". As a Baha'i I likewise have no interest in critiquing any leader of the past or present but exploring the strengths and weakness of various forms of thought and practice when they are weighed against the teachings of the Baha'i Faith as I currently understand them, and the implications of these forms of thought and practice for the future of humanity. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Second, while the Baha'i writings anticipate that in the future their will be leaders who either through their own embrace of the Baha'i Faith or simply recognizing the positive impact Baha'i teachings can have on the betterment of his or her people, my post was less about the future than about the present. Right now, today, people of good will can recognize the limitations of political religion and explore together alternative forms of religious engagement in the social order. The Baha'i Faith offers a perspective on what these alternatives could be and experience in carrying them out which should be offered unconditionally to all humanity.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16607511/1904529995950150887/comments/default/3022355838384094796'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16607511/1904529995950150887/comments/default/3022355838384094796'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.bahaithought.com/2007/03/problem-with-political-religion.html?showComment=1173555180000#c3022355838384094796' title=''/><author><name>Phillipe Copeland</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/18342490962831946701</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='31' src='http://wso.williams.edu/orgs/bahai/star2.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.bahaithought.com/2007/03/problem-with-political-religion.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16607511.post-1904529995950150887' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16607511/posts/default/1904529995950150887' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-209494629'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16607511.post-2644954937373118698</id><published>2007-03-10T12:36:00.000-03:00</published><updated>2007-03-10T12:36:00.000-03:00</updated><title type='text'>Indeed the rise of a king who would hold up the Ba...</title><content type='html'>Indeed the rise of a king who would hold up the Baha'i Faith is claimed to be prophesied by Shoghi Effendi - &lt;A HREF="http://www.ibiblio.org/Bahai/Texts/EN/PDC/PDC-20.html" REL="nofollow"&gt;paragraph 10&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;"In the Lawh-i-Ra'ís He actually and categorically prophesies the rise of such a king: "Erelong will God raise up from among the kings one who will aid His loved ones. He, verily, encompasseth all things. He will instill in the hearts the love of His loved ones. This, indeed, is irrevocably decreed by One Who is the Almighty, the Beneficent." In the Ridvánu'l-`Adl, wherein the virtue of justice is exalted, He makes a parallel prediction: "Erelong will God make manifest on earth kings who will recline on the couches of justice, and will rule amongst men even as they rule their own selves. They, indeed, are among the choicest of My creatures in the entire creation." "</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16607511/1904529995950150887/comments/default/2644954937373118698'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16607511/1904529995950150887/comments/default/2644954937373118698'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.bahaithought.com/2007/03/problem-with-political-religion.html?showComment=1173540960000#c2644954937373118698' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.bahaithought.com/2007/03/problem-with-political-religion.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16607511.post-1904529995950150887' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16607511/posts/default/1904529995950150887' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-57855301'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16607511.post-719895913589567030</id><published>2007-03-10T12:30:00.000-03:00</published><updated>2007-03-10T12:30:00.000-03:00</updated><title type='text'>I have a couple reactions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, for all t...</title><content type='html'>I have a couple reactions.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;First, for all the partial awareness of America in the place of the Roman Empire, almost no one seems to wonder where the Christianity of the day is too.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Second, with respect to a Baha'i approach to the issues, I think it first to highlight that 'Abdu'l-Baha praises Constantine (and his mother). And note the Lesser Covenant of Christianity survived another 500ish years after Constantine (and, btw, the challenge of Arius) albeit not without changes in the empire (like half of it falling into the Dark Ages).&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Consider &lt;A HREF="http://www.ibiblio.org/Bahai/Texts/EN/SDC/SDC-1.html" REL="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/A&gt; (starting paragraph 152)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The station of a philosopher, in that age and in the mind of Galen, was superior to any other station in the world. Consider then how the enlightening and spiritualizing power of divine religions impels the believers to such heights of perfection that a philosopher like Galen, not himself a Christian, offers such testimony.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;One demonstration of the excellent character of the Christians in those days was their dedication to charity and good works, and the fact that they founded hospitals and philanthropic institutions. For example, the first person to establish public clinics throughout the Roman Empire where the poor, the injured and the helpless received medical care, was the Emperor Constantine. This great king was the first Roman ruler to champion the Cause of Christ. He spared no efforts, dedicating his life to the promotion of the principles of the Gospel, and he solidly established the Roman government, which in reality had been nothing but a system of unrelieved oppression, on moderation and justice. His blessed name shines out across the dawn of history like the morning star, and his rank and fame among the world's noblest and most highly civilized is still on the tongues of Christians of all denominations.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;What a firm foundation of excellent character was laid down in those days, thanks to the training of holy souls who arose to promote the teachings of the Gospel. How many primary schools, colleges, hospitals, were established, and institutions where fatherless and indigent children received their education. How many were the individuals who sacrificed their own personal advantages and "out of desire to please the Lord" devoted the days of their lives to teaching the masses.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;When, however, the time approached for the effulgent beauty of Muhammad to dawn upon the world, the control of Christian affairs passed into the hands of ignorant priests. Those heavenly breezes, soft-flowing from the regions of Divine grace, died away, and the laws of the great Evangel, the rock-foundation on which the civilization of the world was based, turned barren of results, this out of misuse and because of the conduct of persons who, seemingly fair, were yet inwardly foul."&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Third with respect to the Baha'i Faith in particular, beware taking stances based on stances and foibles of the day we live in. We live on the hind end of 1 or 2 thousand years of religion without enough benefit from a Manifestation and if you check into the early days of religion nearer the time of it's Prophet, the role of religion in raising civilization is far far different than the world experiences today from the effects of religion.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In particular you should bear in mind, study and investigate the implications of paragraph 84 of the Aqdas - "How great the blessedness that awaiteth the king who will arise to aid My Cause in My kingdom, who will detach himself from all else but Me! Such a king is numbered with the companions of the Crimson Ark--the Ark which God hath prepared for the people of Bahá. All must glorify his name, must reverence his station, and aid him to unlock the cities with the keys of My Name, the omnipotent Protector of all that inhabit the visible and invisible kingdoms. Such a king is the very eye of mankind, the luminous ornament on the brow of creation, the fountainhead of blessings unto the whole world. Offer up, O people of Bahá, your substance, nay your very lives, for his assistance."</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16607511/1904529995950150887/comments/default/719895913589567030'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16607511/1904529995950150887/comments/default/719895913589567030'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.bahaithought.com/2007/03/problem-with-political-religion.html?showComment=1173540600000#c719895913589567030' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.bahaithought.com/2007/03/problem-with-political-religion.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16607511.post-1904529995950150887' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16607511/posts/default/1904529995950150887' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-2121656116'/></entry></feed>
